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City:Evanston, IL USA WA
Personal Data:Male, born: July 17 1944
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Area/Game:General
Topic:Suggestions, improvement, critics
Subject:Re: ELO evaluation System
Posted by: Bombadil - 15years 305days ago.
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markrendl wrote:
Falconfab wrote:
Hi pilots,
since i frequented this site the first time i'm asking for a better scoring system that could indicate the real strengt of a player. I feel this as a must!
The statistics make fakes. For two reasons, first of all, you don't know witch scenario and plane are used, even if much has been done. But the second reason is that you don't know the real power of people against he played... there are good pilots, great pilots ad bad pilots... but a kill is alwais a kill.
The best solution, in my opinion, is to have a self-adaptive evalutation system. the system should compare the strenght of the two players and make a table, if the "strong player One" wins it would give him few points, if the "weak player Two" wins give him many points. In case of even game give few points to the weaker player. In the mean time, the loser player would lose the same ammount of points the winning would have.

Chess players use the Elo rating system that, even if not perfect, is much better than simple statistics!

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system


An interesting concept, but given the number - and variety - of scenarios, I think it would be really tough to calculate. For example, some people play a lot of 1 vs 1 matches and others gravitate toward large scale matches. Quantifying and assigning valid weights to all the possible variables would be a major undertaking. However, I'm not a mathematician, so what do I know ?

markrendl


I agree with mark. A key vairable for me is Game Size. In a 1:1 game you can only loose to one other pilot (using a point syetem to etermine a 'winner'). In a 4:4 game you can 'loose' to Seven other pilots. Another thing that effects 'Winning' is if a given pilot tends to routinely fly the stronger aircraft.
Early on when I found this site I looked at those factors and in my personal assessment I look at a player who has about a 30% won/loss ratio as holding his own. That evaluation might not hold up in relation to to my ideas from above specialy if a given pilot really skews by not playing other than 1:1 or never takes a weak plane, but I'm not sure how much of that really goes on. That assessment may not hold water. Each of us has opinions.
I agree with Mark that the math to Falconfabs breakdown would be overwhelming for this site. A column on the "Old Stats Page" showing W/L percentage might be helpful and interesting, and not to hard to implement.

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